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Re: Other migration examples, discussions #wikispaces

Tom H
 

I'm very interested and would encourage you to post here your procedure or, at least, a link to it. This group is steadily growing and the need for solutions will peak with each of the three drop-dead dates announced by Wikispaces.

I like the idea of a site sucker to pull the content. Wikispaces' export separates the Page discussions and comments from the 'Page' itself so one has to find a way to reconnect them. I started copying from the Ws site pages to BlueGriffon editor to pick up page content and discussions. That still misses the Comments but I then copy them into what seems like a sidebar so the resulting page is complete.

I was planning to use a multifile editor to extract all the icon links to pull them down one at a time. And then the same to redirect the image and file URLs. Haven't done that sort of thing for a couple of decades so there's a lot of rust to clean off.

Would that sitesucker produce html files that could be used with non-WordPress hosts?


Re: Other migration examples, discussions #wikispaces

Allen Webb
 

Nice job!

I would love to have a specific set of steps to follow to do the same thing.  And/or a YouTube video...

Allen


On 3/15/18 12:01 PM, marcem13601@... wrote:

Hi guys, new here.  We have a wikispaces site covering our local area - basically everything about it, though centering mostly on historical aspects (http://jeffco.wikispaces.com/).  A group of us have been working on it for years but mostly it's my friend and I who have contributed the most content.  It's over 880 pages so we don't want to be cutting and pasting in an effort to migrate it elsewhere.  It would be a pretty big job.

Looking through all of the export formats it seems like they should be able to be imported into the various pieces of software that they correspond to.  But after investigating this it seemed to either not be the case, the process would leave everything unconnected and jumbled, or the process was beyond me and it was questionable what would happen anyway.  I think this meshes with what others have found (outside of the company that is charging to do a migration).

I am a professional web designer with a specialty in Wordpress so I got to thinking about customers who I have migrated from static sites to Wordpress.  Sometimes for certain things we may 'cheat' a bit and paste HTML directly into a Wordpress page editor until such a time as we can go back and 'fix' it to more modern standards.

So I got to wondering if I could create a script to import the Wikispaces HTML export directly into Wordpress' MYSQL database?  I played around with it a bit until I started wondering if someone else had already created a plugin for this.

Sure enough, someone had created a plugin that imports a series of HTML files, keeping links and codes and even importing graphics (thanks to Stephanie Leary and her HTML import plug - http://stephanieleary.com/code/wordpress/html-import/ and https://wordpress.org/plugins/import-html-pages/). 

I played around with it a bit - importing a few pages as well as importing the entire group of unzipped HTML files multiple times and then resetting Wordpress to default for testing the various options over and over.

I found that, all-in-all, it worked beautifully.  That's not to say that it worked perfectly and - there was a lot of trial and error, and I had to load ALL of the files into a multiple tabbed editor and do a mass search and replace on all links and play around with a few things.  Fortunately the mass search and replace only takes seconds.  But now I have a working 'wiki' with all pages included, linked, searchable and I didn't have to spend 880 hours cutting and pasting.  There's still some things to fix and lots of things that can now be prettied up since it is in Wordpress.

This is just a temporary location for proof-of-concept and experimentation as we are still trying to decide where it's new home will be (I'm hosting it on my own leased server at the moment) so if anyone wants to take a look at what I did it is here - http://oabonny.com/jeffcowiki/

If anyone would like a more detailed explanation of what I did please let me know, I'd like to help out as many people as possible.  It's not simple but it is doable.

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Other migration examples, discussions #wikispaces

Marc M
 

Hi guys, new here.  We have a wikispaces site covering our local area - basically everything about it, though centering mostly on historical aspects (http://jeffco.wikispaces.com/).  A group of us have been working on it for years but mostly it's my friend and I who have contributed the most content.  It's over 880 pages so we don't want to be cutting and pasting in an effort to migrate it elsewhere.  It would be a pretty big job.

Looking through all of the export formats it seems like they should be able to be imported into the various pieces of software that they correspond to.  But after investigating this it seemed to either not be the case, the process would leave everything unconnected and jumbled, or the process was beyond me and it was questionable what would happen anyway.  I think this meshes with what others have found (outside of the company that is charging to do a migration).

I am a professional web designer with a specialty in Wordpress so I got to thinking about customers who I have migrated from static sites to Wordpress.  Sometimes for certain things we may 'cheat' a bit and paste HTML directly into a Wordpress page editor until such a time as we can go back and 'fix' it to more modern standards.

So I got to wondering if I could create a script to import the Wikispaces HTML export directly into Wordpress' MYSQL database?  I played around with it a bit until I started wondering if someone else had already created a plugin for this.

Sure enough, someone had created a plugin that imports a series of HTML files, keeping links and codes and even importing graphics (thanks to Stephanie Leary and her HTML import plug - http://stephanieleary.com/code/wordpress/html-import/ and https://wordpress.org/plugins/import-html-pages/). 

I played around with it a bit - importing a few pages as well as importing the entire group of unzipped HTML files multiple times and then resetting Wordpress to default for testing the various options over and over.

I found that, all-in-all, it worked beautifully.  That's not to say that it worked perfectly and - there was a lot of trial and error, and I had to load ALL of the files into a multiple tabbed editor and do a mass search and replace on all links and play around with a few things.  Fortunately the mass search and replace only takes seconds.  But now I have a working 'wiki' with all pages included, linked, searchable and I didn't have to spend 880 hours cutting and pasting.  There's still some things to fix and lots of things that can now be prettied up since it is in Wordpress.

This is just a temporary location for proof-of-concept and experimentation as we are still trying to decide where it's new home will be (I'm hosting it on my own leased server at the moment) so if anyone wants to take a look at what I did it is here - http://oabonny.com/jeffcowiki/

If anyone would like a more detailed explanation of what I did please let me know, I'd like to help out as many people as possible.  It's not simple but it is doable.

 

 

 

 

 


One Professor's Tech Transition Research and Plan #googlesites #canvas

Tom H
 

The owner of The Learning Professor wiki has posted a page with an outline of his plan to migrate to Google Sites and possibly also a subset to Canvas (seems to be a teaching tool) with many links to items of interest to him that have cropped up in his research.


Re: Groups.io as a target #groupsio

Allen Webb
 

I just joined and yours is the first and only email I have received.  I have several Wikispaces sites and hope through this group I get some ideas about migrating them.  Best, Allen


On 3/14/18 12:18 PM, Tom H wrote:
Check out our GroupsIO subgroup for early experience I have had with a trial migration of my Wikispaces site.

I am unsure if you members of this Main group see messages in its subgroups on the G.io website. Would someone let me know? Perhaps you have to navigate to the subgroups list in the top menu and select a subgroup. You certainly cannot post to it  nor receive its messagesmby email without subscribing to it.


Groups.io as a target #groupsio

Tom H
 
Edited

Check out our GroupsIO subgroup for early experience I have had with a trial migration of my Wikispaces site.

I am unsure if you members of this Main group see messages in its subgroups on the G.io website. Would someone let me know? Perhaps you have to navigate to the subgroups list in the top menu and select a subgroup. You certainly cannot post to it  nor receive its messages by email without subscribing to it.


Re: Wikispaces alternative #mediawiki

Tom H
 

Thanks for your first post and your opinions.

When you have made a start on building your replacement site, please add it to the Examples database here and give us a progress report and review of what's working well and what's not.

BTW, what's a "CoLab" space? 


On Mar 11, 2018 4:17 PM, "Kim Grady" <kimgrady@...> wrote:
I’ve been running several “CoLab” spaces on wikispaces. 
In my search for an alternative, I’ve looked at other suggestions as well, I’m probably going to go with hostgator which has mediawiki as a plugin. For about $6 per month, your data is preserved, you get the convenient wiki like space and you OWN it. All criteria by which we should stick to. Give the guys that are doing the right thing the business. No more “Free” bogus 3rd party servers to build their profitable business on our backs, period. 

Just some thoughts,
kindly, 

Kim Grady, M.Ed.
Principal and Founder
BehaveHeuristics, LLC

Direct: 480-983-6821
Mobile: 480-748-8019








Wikispaces alternative #mediawiki

Kim Grady <kimgrady@...>
 

I’ve been running several “CoLab” spaces on wikispaces. 
In my search for an alternative, I’ve looked at other suggestions as well, I’m probably going to go with hostgator which has mediawiki as a plugin. For about $6 per month, your data is preserved, you get the convenient wiki like space and you OWN it. All criteria by which we should stick to. Give the guys that are doing the right thing the business. No more “Free” bogus 3rd party servers to build their profitable business on our backs, period. 

Just some thoughts,
kindly, 

Kim Grady, M.Ed.
Principal and Founder
BehaveHeuristics, LLC

Email: kimgrady@...
Direct: 480-983-6821
Mobile: 480-748-8019







Free Technology for Teachers: Wikispaces is Closing - Here Are Some Alternatives #googlesites #weebly

Tom H
 


Other migration examples, discussions #wikispaces

Tom H
 
Edited


CiviHosting offers migration to DokuWiki #wikispaces #export #dokuwiki #civihosting

Tom H
 

CiviHosting now offers a Wikispaces wiki migration to DokuWiki in conjunction with its DokuWiki hosting service. There's a migration fee and a subscription fee. See https://civihosting.com/wikispaces-migration/ for details.

If you use their service, please share your experience here. 

CiviHosting is also surveying interest in MediaWiki as the target and in a lower level of service than their current basic offer, given that many Wikispaces wikis were free and even its Plus plan has/had a lower annual fee than CH's basic.


Export - PDF #wikispaces #export #pdf

Tom H
 
Edited

The Wikispaces Export/Backup to PDF format renders and packs all the Ws pages into a single PDF file laid out in letter-size. Ws Page titles do not appear on the rendered pages but are used to name the bookmarks for the starting PDF pages for the Ws Pages. The first page in the PDF begins a hyperlinked Table of Contents.


Here is an example of a rendered Ws Page:


A brief comparison with the original shows major changes in format. It will take a page by page comparison to suss out all the differences and problems with the renderings.


Hyperlinks to files are broken as they point to a local folder: "file:///file/view/filename". Perhaps by using one of the other export formats and copying the files from the "files" folder to a "file/view" folder under the same root as the PDF is under they may work. Otherwise, the PDF has to be edited (Adobe Acrobat?).


Tom H
 

Wikispaces exports data from a wiki in several formats:

All but PDF have much in common. They are exported in a single compressed file with an identical folder structure:
 
The above example is from my Ws Plus site, SQLiteToolsForRootsMagic; sites on other plans or using features that I have not may vary. The exported content is downloaded in a file having the name of the Ws site hyphenated with the export date and format type selected and with the extension corresponding to the selected compression system (.zip in my case). Extracting all results in a root folder having the Ws site name, the "mainSpace" sub-folder and its two sub-folders, "discussion" and "files":

WsSitename (no files except HTML export includes a ToC file: "table_of_content.html")
-mainSpace  (1 file per Ws page in selected format, [HTML | PHP | MediaWiki...])
--discussion (1 JSON file per Ws page having comments or discussion)
--files (files that have been uploaded to the Ws Wiki - flat system, no structure; not sure if this is all such files or only those referenced in pages)

The exception to this pattern is PDF which exports to a single PDF file containing only the Ws pages as rendered by their PDF generator. Discussion data is not exported. Not sure what happens to those files merely linked by a page. 


Re: Potential destinations #wikispaces

Tom H
 

Glad to see your first post to our nascent group. I suspect every member so far has the same questions and may be disappointed to find there are, as yet, no answers here. I couldn't find answers anywhere so I launched this forum in the hope that a collective might develop answers together, more easily and efficiently than each of us on our own.

I have started exploring Google Sites as an alternative and report on that in a subgroup so named. 

Groups.io is new to me, too. I know of it because I also belong to a few Yahoo Groups, some of which having been transferred to it because of Yahoo's troubles. I have created a subgroup for discussion of it and intend to explore it, too.

I will setup subgroups for all targets that members explore. Inconveniently, you have to join a subgroup to participate; membership in subgroups is not inherited from the main group, AFAIK. Tell me if you can see my posts in the GoogleSites group before joining it.

Tom


Re: Potential destinations #wikispaces

camperdog3@...
 

Hi All:  I'm new to the group, having just discovered (to my immense disappointment) that Wikispaces is going away.   Because I teach at a number of different sites, I rely heavily on WS as I move around.   Have folks already researched acceptable alternatives?  How about this site (Groups.io)?   If this site is considered good, is it easy to transfer our WS content here?  Has anyone created simple and clear directions?   I'm grateful for whatever you can pass along as I decide what to do next.    S.


Re: Potential destinations #wikispaces

Tom H
 
Edited

The public message from Wikispaces about Alternatives is missing the following paragraph that is incorporated in the Announcement I accessed through my wiki's settings:
 
To create sites, take a look at https://www.sites.google.com/ you can create, edit and publish a site. You do require a google account and either Firefox or Chrome to upload the site

On Feb 15, 2018 3:40 PM, "Tom H" <ve3meo@...> wrote:
Also from Wikispaces:

Are there alternatives to Wikispaces I can use?

There are many sites that are similar to Wikispaces and used for education purposes.  We would recommend conducting your own research in order to locate a site right for your needs and set up or contact that company directly.

For some other alternative sites, please also check out some of these links;
https://www.pbworks.com/education.html
http://referata.com/wiki/Main_Page
https://moodle.org/

 

 

 

 


Re: Potential destinations #wikispaces

Tom H
 

Also from Wikispaces:

Are there alternatives to Wikispaces I can use?

There are many sites that are similar to Wikispaces and used for education purposes.  We would recommend conducting your own research in order to locate a site right for your needs and set up or contact that company directly.

For some other alternative sites, please also check out some of these links;
https://www.pbworks.com/education.html
http://referata.com/wiki/Main_Page
https://moodle.org/


Re: Potential destinations #wikispaces

Tom H
 

It's unclear what the distinction is between "Wikispaces Format" and these export formats. Is the former a style of presentation and structure and the latter the dialect used for page editing and content?


Potential destinations #wikispaces

Tom H
 

From Wikispaces: 
You can export or download your data by following the steps below. Please note that this will download in Wikispaces Format and, if you are planning to upload this onto another site you may find it easier to copy and paste the data from directly your Wiki to your new chosen Wiki site. Please keep this in mind and allow yourself enough time to do this. 
While the above text says the download will be in Wikispaces Format, the procedure gives a choice from among html, several wiki dialects and pdf. Files, pages, et al can be delivered in zip or tgz format.


Welcome

Tom H
 
Edited

Welcome to Wikispaces--Refugees, a forum for exploring ways and means of migrating Wikispaces (Ws) sites to other platforms. Started because no other venue is known to exist and the founder needs help to transfer his own site - you probably do, too.

Groups.io seems to be a versatile, free (to a point) platform for such discussion and may even be suitable as a destination for some Ws wikis.

I'm not an expert in any of the potential destination platforms and welcome subject leaders, contributors, etc. to take up moderator roles in this group and its subgroups. Moreover, my Ws experience is limited to one Plus site so I have no knowledge of features of other plans that it does not include.

Groups.io has a subgroups feature which I think would be a way to focus on specific destination targets, leaving the main group for general discussion and matters common to multiple targets. I've opened a couple to start. You have to subscribe to each sub-group to participate in it. See access instructions below.

The group and its subgroups can each have a wiki. What that means in this context remains to be seen.

Hashtags look to be a powerful tool for filtering messages, akin to Ws tags. All posters are encouraged to add relevant hashtags.

Accessing Subgroups

On the Home page click on the menu item "Subgroups". At time of editing this page, these subgroups have started:

Wikispaces-Refugees | docuwiki

It may have been premature to set up subgroups; hashtags alone may be sufficient for some time to filter for target-specific content.

Tom Holden